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Your Human Design with Kelsey Abbott

We have a really special guest this week on the podcast- Kelsey Abbott!


We were on Kelsey’s podcast Find Your Awesome a few weeks ago and knew after speaking with her that she would be a great person to interview for you all to meet as well!


Kelsey is all about being a positive force for loving yourself, shedding the “shoulds” and embracing your own unique greatness.


She touches on how she embodies this in our episode and we also dive into Human Design, what that is and how it informs the way you live, work, and interact with others.

If you’ve never heard of Human Design, this episode will introduce a new, interesting idea to you, and if you have heard of it, you’ll be interested to see how Kelsey incorporates it into her every day!


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Full Transcript:

CrisMarie: Well, we have a very special guest today, Kelsey Abbott, who is a competence and performance coach and instigator of joy. Kelsey Abbott is an intuitive human design reader, a certified professional coach and instigator of joy, I love that, writer, speaker and host of the Find Your Awesome podcast. She helps spiritual adventurers remember who they are and why they're here so they can uplevel with ease. She helps them learn to really, truly love themselves, shed the shoulds, embrace their own unique greatness, and sparkle. I love that.


Kelsey studied at the Institute for Professional Excellence in Coaching, IPEC, where she earned certifications as a certified professional coach, energy leadership master practitioner, a Core E performance coach. She also studied at the Applied Neuroscience Institute earning her neuro positive certificate in using neuroscience to change how the brain processes challenges. That's really cool.


Before becoming a confidence coach, Kelsey was a nationally recognized science writer and marine biologist working in DC, Seattle, Hawaii, and Barbados. Training dolphins and studying killer whales in the process. A competitive swimmer for most of her life, Kelsey transitioned to triathlons where she now competes at the national and international level. After a decade in Miami and 16-


Susan: In Maine.


CrisMarie: Excuse me, that's ... I knew I was going to Florida. That's why, wrong town, but I was heading there. After a decade in Maine and 16 months of traveling around the U.S. in a small camper, Kelsey now lives in Sarasota, Florida with her husband and her dog. And what's the name of your dog?


Kelsey Abbott: Makai.


CrisMarie: Makai.


Susan: Not that we were going to ask about your husband's name, but you could tell us his too.


Kelsey Abbott: No, but my dog's name is Makai, and it means “ocean side” in Hawaiian, these are important things.


CrisMarie: I love it. They are.


Susan: It's so funny though, how often I know the names of people's dogs and I can

never remember the name.


Kelsey Abbott: Our neighbors, I am the awkward one that says hi to the dog. And then just with the name and then just, "Hi, I don't remember your name."


CrisMarie: That's too funny. Kelsey, we wanted you on our podcast, because we had such a delightful time being on your Find Your Awesomeness podcast. And so it'd be great for you ... There's some words in here, like human design, and you're obviously a sporty woman. So can you tell us a little bit about what you do and how you live, just to give our listeners that perspective?


Kelsey Abbott: What do I do and how I live? Wow!


CrisMarie: How you sparkle.


Kelsey Abbott: Let's see. So I am going to start with how I live. I balance my life between training and running my business. And here, let me try and incorporate human design into this. So since learning my human design, I've learned that my energy type, the way that my soul chose my energy to play with the universe, is through play.


CrisMarie: Oh, I love that.


Kelsey Abbott: So I view it as, now it's part of my job is to play. And playing for me, is swimming, biking, running, strength training; anyway I'm moving my body.


CrisMarie: Wow. That is neat.


Kelsey Abbott: So that's what I do on a daily basis. I help people, well mostly just remember who they are, and I play in between. Because my job is to be my sparkly-est self. And I do that by doing what sets my soul on fire, which is play.


CrisMarie: Fabulous. Now you're using the term human design. We were reading before the podcast, but I think it would really be great if you could describe what that whole body of work is about and how you work it.


Kelsey Abbott: Yeah, so... All right, let me back up. When I first heard the term, human design, it was actually on one of my podcasts. And I think I cocked my head in that puppy, "What?" I was so skeptical at first. And then I went and put in my birthday and birth time, and all this information came up in this weird picture and I was then even more confused, and I was like, "Do I want to do this?"


All right, so human design is the system that describes basically, our souls make a decision before we're born on how our energy is going to play with energy around us, how we are going to ... Like our strengths, our super powers, what we're here to heal, what we're here to share, what we're here to do. And we're born knowing these things. And then we meet all these humans who teach us all these things and we forget what we're here for. And so human design is this system that helps us remember, that helps us receive permission to be ourselves.


CrisMarie: Excellent.


Susan: You know, it's so powerful to hear you say that. For many years, probably almost 10, we were involved in this school that, Drama Thika School of Illumination Sciences, but it was actually-


Kelsey Abbott: It sounds super sparkly.


Susan: Yes, it does. But so much of that information was channeled information about us as energy bodies. And as soon as you started to talk about it, I thought, "Oh, this sounds very familiar." And every once in a while, we'll talk to someone, and I don't know enough about human design yet to know, but it sure does sound like a similar type of resonance. We come in with these vibrations and then we forget, and then our whole job is to remember, and yeah-


Kelsey Abbott: Yeah, and human design was channeled. So why would something just be channeled through one person? It would make sense that it's channeled through multiple people.


Susan: Yes.


Kelsey Abbott: Because humans are so slow. We need to hear this information from multiple sources.


Susan: That is so true.


CrisMarie: Oh, well it sounds like it certainly changed your life to make you more playful and having more fun. And it sounds like that's been healthy for you. Tell me where I'm wrong.


Kelsey Abbott: Oh my God, I love ... I've known, I like really truly known that I'm here to play forever. When I started my business, I would go through phases of, "I need to sit at my computer and work." And it never felt good at all. So I'd be like, "I'm going to go play." Then sometimes I'd be out on my bike and feel a little guilty. Like I should get home and be at my desk. And the funny thing is, back when I was a science writer, this is what I would say to myself, the whole article I was writing would come through me when I was out playing. And then when I was at my computer, nothing was happening.

So why didn't I just make the connection then?


CrisMarie: Yeah, it's true. It's such an antithesis though of how our Puritan work ethic, you’ve got to always be rolling that rock up the hill. I certainly grew up with that, that is not okay to play; bad.


Kelsey Abbott: Yeah. So one of the ... This is called conditioning in human design, what other people tell us. The ideas that we basically put on ourselves, it's like the clothes that we start wearing that aren't ours. And one of the ideas for manifestors is that you can't be big, you can't be big and shiny and sparkly. You got to play small, shrink yourself. You're too big, you're too much. And by the way, there's one way to do things, and you've got to do it that way. So that's what manifestors are here to learn is not the truth. And manifesting generators, which is my type. We're a hybrid of manifestors and generators, and so we also are healing that belief as well.


CrisMarie: Excellent. Now to figure out your type, do you go in and put all this data in on your birth time and where you ... Is it astrology related?


Kelsey Abbott: Yeah, so it's related to astrology, the I Ching... What else? The chakra system and the tree of life, which I know nothing about.


CrisMarie: Well, it does sound ... I'm having a lot of little sparkles go off in my head. [laughing] So all right. And anyone can go on and do this?


Kelsey Abbott: Yeah. I like the website JovianArchive.com. You can get your chart for free. You just need your birthday, which you will know hopefully, and your time of birth, down to the minute.


CrisMarie: Okay. For all you listeners out there, go to that website-


Susan: We will try to put that in the notes.


CrisMarie: Yes.


Susan: We'll see.


CrisMarie: That's fabulous.


Susan: Yeah. So how long ago was it that you got engaged with human design?


Kelsey Abbott: A year.


CrisMarie: Oh, so it's pretty new for you.


Kelsey Abbott: It was a year ago that my friend, Brooke, who wasn't even that much of a friend at the time. I was recording a podcast with her and she said, "Have you heard of human design?" And I gave that puppy dog cocked head like, "What?" Which I believe is recorded. And then I looked up my chart and was like, "What?" Then finally at some point I came across, someone had written that manifesting generators, my energy type, are warrior Buddhas. And I was like, "Oh, well that resonates hugely, huh! Maybe there's something here."


Kelsey Abbott: But still I was like, I saw it was down the rabbit hole, but at the same time completely confused.


Susan: Well, how did you get clarity? Okay, go ahead.


Kelsey Abbott: Yeah, so then I started binging on podcasts. And I started ... There are a bunch of different schools of human design, ways of thinking about things and human design, and some didn't resonate at all with me and some resonated so strongly that it was like, "Yes, that's what I've been saying my whole life." It was like I felt it vibrating in my soul. I really believe that human design is here to remind us and give us permission to be our true selves. It's supposed to empower us. It is not supposed ... If human design, if anything, learning about your type or your profile or any part of your chart makes you feel trapped, it's not for you.


CrisMarie: Right.


Kelsey Abbott: Get out of there.


Susan: Get out of there. So that is great. It's pretty cool. So now you are in the human design world but you also had been at coach before that. So you obviously-


Kelsey Abbott: Yeah, I've been a coach for six years.


CrisMarie: Okay, all right. And also your sports ... Susan was reading a blog about your goals versus intention and the way you do sports, because you look like a really sporty person. So I can imagine, I could think you were quite driven but you have this energy of play. So say more about that!


Kelsey Abbott: Yeah, a common misconception, that I'm type A. And I am the farthest thing from anything type A. I love to train, I truly love it and I love to race. It is absolute play for me. And back to that goals and intentions blog post. So I have since learned through human design, we've got different styles of manifesting. And this has nothing to do with your energy type, it's just some of us are specific manifestors and some are nonspecific manifestors.


So everyone in the online business world has heard about manifesting. You need to say, how much do you want to make this month? Well, you could also call it just setting goals; how much you want to make, how many clients you want to get. Those people are specific manifestors. The five year strategy, specific manifestor. The come up with a visualize exactly what you want and you'll make it happen. Totally perfect, if you're a specific manifestor. I am not. I'm a nonspecific manifestor.


So just last year, I felt like I was being bombarded from so many coaches, leaders, everyone in my sphere was like, "Kelsey you've got to get specific. Kelsey, how much money do you want to make this month? How much? How are you going to break it down?" And every time I got specific, first of all it did not come easily to me. It felt like I was pushing really hard every time I did this. And every time I did it, it blocked my flow. All of a sudden I felt completely disconnected from myself, from my business, from the universe, from everything. And that's what happens with nonspecific manifestors. We are actually ... Does this resonate for you Susan?


Susan: I have a nonspecific.


CrisMarie: I am a specific manifestor.


Susan: That creates a whole different dynamic within the relationship.


Kelsey Abbott: But yeah, so all right, Susan. And my husband is a specific manifestor. So Susan, here is your permission. We're here to say, what's for the highest good of everyone involved? Just show me.


CrisMarie: So it's kind of more like let it come.


Kelsey Abbott: Yeah. We're receiving with open palms instead of gripping. And somebody said, this just totally resonated with me, that for a specific manifestor you come up with the desire in your head and that brings the desire to fruition. For a nonspecific manifestor, that thing that's coming to fruition is out there, and that plants the desire in our head.


Susan: Oh that makes some sense. Because that's actually for us, is often a place of tension. Because it can seem like-


CrisMarie: Susan doesn't care. Don't do how to have specific goals? That's exactly what I do. I'm like, "We need to get specific!"


Susan: And she's like, "You need to increase your prices or do this." And I'm just lost in that. It makes no sense to me. But there are times and I can think of most recently, where I said, "Well why don't you let me know exactly what amount of money it is we need for the flow of things?" And she gave me a figure, and actually we manifested that-

CrisMarie: And more.


Susan: Almost immediately. But it was like having the discussion about how we were supposed to do it.


CrisMarie: You know, but actually, she saw how upset I was. And she was like, "Oh, well I get you're upset. So you're telling me we need this amount of revenue? Okay." Within a week, literally, boom, boom, boom. It happened.


Susan: But not because, I mean-


CrisMarie: We didn't try to make that happen.


Susan: It's because we have to get in touch with this many clients a week, and then I just spend. So this is really kind of helpful.


CrisMarie: It could help in conflict in your relationship.


Kelsey Abbott: So much.


Susan: Yeah.


Kelsey Abbott: So much. I let my husband go get all specific on everything. And then I'm just like, I'm here for the big picture.


CrisMarie: As long as he doesn't expect tonight, we're going to have to go to that website and figure out. But I'm pretty clear, she's unspecific.


Kelsey Abbott: So here's how you figure it out. There are four arrows up by the head. When you see a human design chart, listeners, you're going to be like, "What is this?" So there's a body in the middle of the chart. By the head, there are two arrows on either side of the head. On the right side, the bottom arrow, if it points to the right, you're a nonspecific manifestor. If it points to the left, you're a specific manifestor.


CrisMarie: Oh wow, this is exciting.


Susan: I'm excited.


CrisMarie: I didn't think we were going to talk about this at all. I didn't know what it was.


Kelsey Abbott: And going back to that goals versus intentions post, for me, then intentions, it's like how I want to show up. Because then that, I can be super specific, which in my world is, I want to show up with joy.


Susan: Yeah.


Kelsey Abbott: So that's an intention for me. I want it to feel playful. I want to surprise myself. These are all intentions that I use or I want to be curious. Whereas setting a goal would be like, I want to get this time or come in this place, which is a dicey one because you're really not I control of that, because you have no idea what other people are doing.


CrisMarie: Right.


Susan: Yeah, that so fits my experience with cancer. Like when I saw it as I have to get rid of the cancer, which is more of a goal, versus I just want to be as curious as I can in this process; very different. And the same thing, I'm sure that's the way it is with pretty much ... Even with couples, when we're working with them, can you be curious? Don't try to figure out what you have to do together, how you have to be together. Because then you're going to get stuck. Now I would think even, I mean I kind of believe that's important whether you're specific or nonspecific. But you probably have to have both energies in there somehow. So yeah.


Kelsey Abbott: And as moms specifically, we really, this is also our permission. Just go be curious. The future is not your business. You don't have to plan it. It's already figured out for you.


Susan: Yeah.


CrisMarie: So this is so countercultural to people that are like, "What? No way. I've got to make it happen. I'm the one in charge." You know, got to go ... Really even in rowing when I was training it was kind of like, "Nope, I got to work hard." And I was quite driven. And I think my natural energy is actually more playful, but that whole conditioning, like I grew up in an army family, Colonel dad, got to make things happen. And it definitely overrides and there's a cost. I was able to do it, but there's a cost to my energy and joy. Certainly-


Kelsey Abbott: I feel like it's either we're forcing or we're flowing. And flow requires friction. So we're in flow when something is challenging for us. Flow isn't just sitting on your butt. It can be if you're meditating and that's challenging. To get in ‘flow state’, you need a certain level of challenge. And so you need the friction. Like a bike tire, if you're trying to bike on ice, you're not going to go anywhere.


Susan: Yeah.


Kelsey Abbott: When you're trying to bike on the road, you have the friction of the pavement against your tire, and therefore you're going to move forward.


CrisMarie: I think of the friction that I'm showing the side of pipe. Like the water flowing, there's friction along that and there's however flow. So that can make sense.


Susan: And if you made the walls of a pipe too big and there wasn't enough water, probably, it would have a hard time flowing, you know? So I mean it does. I see what you mean. But it does require friction, and that's another word for conflict.


CrisMarie: So since this is the Beauty of Conflict podcast. How does conflict show up in your world, maybe even in that friction place? And how do you cope with it, or work with it, or make more of it, or less of it?`


Kelsey Abbott: I feel conflict is sometimes it's something to bounce off. It's as though it's like a, “Not this; not this, not now, not this person.” Not like, “All right, so I believe in the concept of like this, but not this.” So when we were traveling in the camper, we had no idea where we were going to live. And so we visited all these different cities and like, "Are you our next home?" And again, my husband's a specific manifestor, he wanted to know-


Susan: Where.


Kelsey Abbott: This is it.


Susan: Yeah.


Kelsey Abbott: And I was nonspecific, totally open for the adventure, totally curious. And yet every once in a while the idea of it, "I have no idea where we're going to live." It would hit hard because of that conditioning, because you're supposed to have a house, some sort of home. That's what humans in the first world countries do. You're not supposed to be a nomad for your whole life. Well no, I may go back to nomadic lifestyle.

So the conflict, the internal conflict and then also the conflict with my husband, it served as though we were bouncing off each other. He would be like, "Oh my God, what are we going to do? Where are we going to live?" And I'd be like, "It's okay." Accept it, the awareness of that he's freaking out, and that this is possibly worthy of a small freak out, and then the acceptance that, that's where we are. And then "Okay, where do we want to go next? What's next? What's real, what's true?" And it felt like every bit of friction, every bit of conflict was an opportunity to see new things. It just always opened another door for us. Like, "Oh my God, we need the ocean. We need to stop looking at these mountain towns." Because once you leave New England, you're deciding between ocean or mountains. So we need to make the call on that, and the call was ocean.


CrisMarie: I really like when you were saying that it opens new doors, because I think it's so ... And even your willingness to hang out in that unknowing, that ambiguity and the tension of the differences, that's really in an interpersonal situation. And an internal, inside is probably the toughest place where we don't want to feel that, so we decide really quickly and, you know, sub optimize our decision, just to get it done. Versus hanging out and tolerating that this comfort and then a new door can open.


Kelsey Abbott: I think it is so powerful to be able to give yourself space to say, "I don't know." And then to be like, "Maybe I'll know tomorrow." Or not even give yourself a deadline. I remember Brene Brown, I think she said once you hit 40, you give yourself permission to ... Somebody asks you a question face to face to say, "I don't know right now. I'll get back to you." And just walk away with that. That wisdom comes with midlife.


Susan: There you go.


CrisMarie: That's true. And I get that we're so enculturated to know what's happening,

plan, have the next steps, look good, and our definition of what security is.


Kelsey Abbott: Yeah, and here's a little weirdness of me. I love uncertainty. It's hasn't always been the case. Of course it stressed me out in the past, but I love not knowing what's going to happen. I get super excited. I wake up excited every day being like, "Oh my God, what's going to happen to me on this one? I've never seen it before.


CrisMarie: You and Susan would just be two peas in a pod. I tell you, where's your husband? We're going to go hang out, and specifically manifests on sure things that are happening.


Kelsey Abbott: You can go stand on your solid ground and Susan and I will go play in the ocean.


CrisMarie: She would. That's totally true. It's so funny, I just see her smiling.


Susan: I think the reason why I ... I mean for me, the only things that I can usually be certain of, actually are there things that I actually don't particularly like? Those are the things that come to mind that are certain-


CrisMarie: What do you mean?


Susan: Money, if I look at our bank account, we're not going to have, that's the amount of money in it. That's a certainty. It's like I'm going to die. That's a certainty. So the stuff that I think of that is actually really certain, isn't really stuff that's all that interesting. No, it's not really like, I don't know if that makes sense.


CrisMarie: Well I mean, the question comes, like, how are you going to have the money? Do you get a job? So there are those real life questions that I find issues with. So you're for 16 months you're roaming, but are either of you anxious? Do you have a big pile of money that you can live off of? Or are you independently wealthy or-


Kelsey Abbott: We were actually working while we were traveling, and didn't own a house at the time.


CrisMarie: Yeah, saves a lot of money.


Kelsey Abbott: So, we didn't have the financial stress, but oh yeah, anxiety would come in these funny waves. I remember Asheville, North Carolina, that was early on, and that was right as we had decided that we were nomadic, that we were adventuring. And I was so excited for the adventure and then would have moments of like, "Oh my God." And my husband now says that he was feeling anxious pretty much the whole time. But it didn't seem like it was the whole time. Definitely was more frequently than I was, he wanted an answer.


CrisMarie: Specific manifestors tend to see in black and white, so they'll paint the whole thing and, "Oh no, I was anxious the whole time."


Susan: I can think of times when we work together and we're with a client, and this is more in a corporate setting where it's a team. And there are just certain things where I know you will say, "We got to have this-


CrisMarie: Plan.


Susan: Plan down, because that gives you some sense of comfort in this.


CrisMarie: Structure.


Susan: And I'm sort of like, I have learned now, and I don't know if this is true of all. If I

give her a structure, even if we don't do that structure...


CrisMarie: It helps to have the structure.


Susan: It helps her to stay relaxed in the timeframe that it's going on.


CrisMarie: Yeah, I agree.


Kelsey Abbott: I do the same thing. I will help people like, "Okay, I'll help you make a structure but I may or may not follow it.”


Susan: Exactly.


Kelsey Abbott: Probably won't.


CrisMarie: Well and what usually happens is, and especially business people, they want, "When's A, B, and C? Give us the agenda." We'll give them the agenda. They need more structure than I need. And really the magic happens in the moments between people where we're not forcing and running. And this is often what we have to do is slow business people down because they're so wanting to solve the business problem. And they wind up solving the wrong thing. This happens in couples and businesses versus slowing down and dropping in. So people really show up and say ... And people, were primitive beings. We have this big computer on our head, but there's more of us, and it takes time for us to sink in and get clear and speak up in those situations.


Kelsey Abbott: And I think it's that big computer on the head, on our heads, that makes us want the certainty, that wants the plan. Our bodies, not as much.


CrisMarie: No, you're right. They're more in the present moment.


Susan: Now, I don't know, you said, you did work with dolphins and killer whales. And I have my little passion for horses. Because I do think the natural animals are so much more keyed in and tapped into nature. It's almost like this idea that they have a brain too, but they use their body way more than their whole being. And I'm fascinated by dolphins. And so-


CrisMarie: Tell us a little bit about that.


Susan: I'm curious what you learned in your work.


Kelsey Abbott: Because the dolphins, they play. They play with humans and they play with each other. They're really just joy and they're wicked smart. There was one dolphin, Akay Comine, that I love them all, but I loved Akay the most; I'll admit that. So we taught the dolphins, I didn't, the people before me, taught the dolphins, if there's something in your tank, get it out and bring it to us and we'll give you a fish. So this is getting fish in between training sessions. So training sessions were also where they're eating. So if a leaf falls in the tank, pick it up, go take it to the side, whistle. Somebody hears you whistling is like, "Oh, thank you so much." Takes the leaf and goes and gets him the fish. So that whether it was a leaf, whether it was debris, whether it was a paint chip, same thing. So Akay learned to peel some paint off the inside.


CrisMarie: She had a lot of mileage she could get on that.


Kelsey Abbott: Oh yeah.


CrisMarie: I've got a full source here, I just need free food.


Kelsey Abbott: Yep.


Susan: Take the humans to figure it out.


Kelsey Abbott: Yeah, exactly. And she'd also if there were three leaves in the tank, she'd

bring them up one at a time.


CrisMarie: That's so cool. Not many people can say they've worked with dolphins like that.


Kelsey Abbott: It was such a gift. Such an incredible experience.


CrisMarie: Yeah.


Susan: Now were killer whales similar? Well, you were studying.


Kelsey Abbott: So the killer whales, I wasn't working with them, I wasn't touching them. I was studying them, this is for my master's research. I studied the Southern resident killer whales off Washington state.


CrisMarie: Oh yeah.


Susan: Oh yeah.


Kelsey Abbott: And a lot of them were developing what were called peanut heads. So they had this dent behind their blowhole, which made them from the side, their heads kind of looked like a peanut, that little dent. So what was happening was they weren't eating enough. They were malnourished.


CrisMarie: Oh wow.



Kelsey Abbott: Because the salmon stocks were going down. And then as they were malnourished, their bodies were pulling the toxins that were stored in their blubber. Because they were living in our oceans, they were just taking in so many toxins. And toxins are stored in the blubber, but then as their nutrient levels are depleting, they're pulling those toxins out of their blubber into the bloodstream, making them sick.


CrisMarie: Oh wow.


Susan: Wow.


CrisMarie: Was there anything done to support them or-


Kelsey Abbott: No.


CrisMarie: Oh!


Susan: There's not much-


Kelsey Abbott: There's some work, they're protected species now. I did this work in 2004.


Susan: Wow.


CrisMarie: So yeah, 15 years ago.


Kelsey Abbott: Hopefully there's some progress.


CrisMarie: Well, I mean we used to live in Seattle, so we'd see the orcas. And that's

really sad though, that that's what's happening.


Kelsey Abbott: It breaks my heart.


Susan: Yeah, it is. So there's a lot of that, that we know that goes on. So yeah.


Kelsey Abbott: Yeah, I'm no longer involved in marine biology and environmental science, but my heart still is. And I'm feeling the craving so much in 2019 to incorporate nature somehow into everything I do; into my coaching practice, into my work. I don't have any idea what state this is going to take. I'm still open up possibilities, but we need to take care of this planet.


CrisMarie: Yeah. Well. Tell us more about what you're doing now and what might be ... I think you have an event coming up.


Kelsey Abbott: I do. I've got the Find Your Flow retreat in January on Siesta Key in Florida, in Sarasota; named one of the country's best beaches.


CrisMarie: Wow.


Kelsey Abbott: And it's going to be all about flow and play and linking arms with other lightworkers. It's for anyone who's craving connection with nature, connection with their bodies, nourishing their souls, being who they are, less doing all being. And that connection of digging your toes into the sand, it's for that. It's for that feeling of being totally supported by the ocean and just realizing that actually that's how you are and everything that we are that supported.


Everyone gets a full human design reading. My retreat co-leader, Tina Olsen, she's a theta healer. So she's going to do some theta healing meditations, and some downloads for everyone. We got a whole lot of fun stuff. The focus is on flow and play and ease.


Susan: Way.


CrisMarie: And we'll put the link in, but where can they find out about your retreats?


Kelsey Abbott: It's Kelseyabbott.com/findyourflow.


CrisMarie: Find your flow. Excellent. And you also do coaching, right? You work with individuals?


Kelsey Abbott: I do. I do one on one coaching, and I do human design readings.


CrisMarie: Excellent.


Susan: Cool.


CrisMarie: Okay. Well, is there anything else you want our listeners to know just about you and what makes you sparkle?


Kelsey Abbott: Well, I've got the Find Your Awesome podcast too, and my episode with you guys is one of my all time favorites.


CrisMarie: You're so sweet.


Kelsey Abbott: It was so fun.


Susan: It was, it really was.


CrisMarie: I know.


Susan: Did you actually say January?


Kelsey Abbott: January 10th through 13th.


Susan: Okay.


CrisMarie: Okay in Florida.


Kelsey Abbott: There's an eclipse that weekend. We will be dancing in eclipse energy. Not necessarily literally dancing, but if that's what happens, that's what happens.


Susan: Okay, I have to say I have this experience of Sarasota, Florida. I don't know if this is still the case, but a long time ago when I was in, I don't know, seventh grade or something. I went on this trip to the Florida keys and we went there. They had, I think it was where the circus, they trained people in the flying trapeze. And I was like, "Oh my God, I so want to do that." And anytime I hear about Sarasota, I think, "That's where the flying trapeze get trained!"


Kelsey Abbott: Have you done it yet? Have you done trapezing?


Susan: No. Oh, I would love to do it.


Kelsey Abbott: I have, not here. So yes, Ringling brothers that was based here. And now there's a rail trail. That was the training where they would take the circus crew, animals, everyone would travel on that, on the tracks. And there's a museum that I haven't been to yet called the Ringling Museum. But trapeze, in Massachusetts, there's Jordan's furniture, it's a furniture store. And you can trapeze there!


Susan: Wow, okay.


Kelsey Abbott: Yeah. And so I did an awesome job with birthday presents for my husband, like six years in a row, birthday or Christmas, I don't remember what it was. But one year it was to go trapezing. It was so fun!


CrisMarie: Oh my God.


Kelsey Abbott: In this furniture store.


Susan: I tell you, all right. I'm going to have to look that up. That sounds like a pretty

cool trick.


CrisMarie: Thank you Ms. Kelsey Abbott. And to learn more about Kelsey Abbott, KelseyAbbott.com.


Susan: All right.


Kelsey Abbott: Yeah.


CrisMarie: Well, it was so fun to have Kelsey on the show.


Susan: It really was.


CrisMarie: I'm sure it could blow some of our listeners minds with the whole human design piece, but I was fascinated with it.


Susan: For sure. I mean it explains a lot about us, so this was great.


CrisMarie: And I really loved the whole idea of force versus flow. And I really know when I get into my forcing function. And it's I'm steamrolling you and other people and it's no fun inside. So to remember that, to move into flow.


Susan: Also just that recognition, that flow requires striction. So again, this is where there is an overlap and the importance of finding your flow does mean you have to be willing to deal with conflict, because that's friction.


CrisMarie: So all right, well her retreat sounds great. So check it out, Find Your Awesome.


Susan: And we'll put in the show notes, the website for going to the human designs that she was suggesting. But you could probably look it up as well and see what your human design, or consider taking her workshop.


CrisMarie: Okay.


Susan: Okay. Take care.


CrisMarie: Bye.


Susan: Well thank you for listening to the Beauty of Conflict podcast. If you're dealing with a difficult situation in your life or work, remember, every conflict is a chance for you to be vulnerable and curious and find creative solutions that you hadn't considered before and make your situation even better. Beautiful breakthroughs can be born out of conflict. We've seen this happen thousands of times over the last 20 years, and we know this is possible for everyone, including you. We're grateful you listen to this show and we're rooting for you.


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